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[00:00] Welcome to the Boys Club podcast. [00:03] What's voice love, Dina? [00:04] Oh, let's do it again. It's actually not called The Voice of the Podcast. [00:07] Okay. Hi. Hi. [00:10] Hi, how's it going? Welcome to Boys Club. [00:12] Fuck me. [00:14] Oh, [00:15] Okay. [00:18] Hi. [00:19] Hi. [00:20] What are we doing? Welcome to Voices. [00:24] Natasha. Oh, we got it. We got it. I'm going to go. I'm going to do. I'm going to say it. And then I'll pass it to you. [00:29] Okay. Okay. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Nope. Nope. That's not it. [00:46] Just boy stuff. [00:47] Hi, welcome to Boys Club. What's Boys Club, Natasha? So glad you asked, Dina. Boys Club is a [00:55] social club and proto-dow for the crypto curious woman and non-binary person and we're doing that in all sorts of ways we're educating we're having fun we're building community [01:06] And, you know, to get started, you listen to this podcast, you subscribe to the newsletter, and you apply to our Discord. Maybe you even buy an NFT. Maybe that's your entry point. At this point, you could, but definitely Table Stakes is this pod, the newsletter, and also follow us on Instagram. You'd have a good time. You'll definitely have fun. On today's episode, we had Allie Pope. [01:25] from variant fund so funny she so she is the iconic son of ally on twitter um just banger after banger my favorite it's my favorite um account to follow she's hilarious so i actually when we just slid into our dms um i was fully expecting to be ghosted like ghosted yeah or left unread but she replied and she came on the top

[01:47] And she was so funny. So we have Allie. And then we did a DAO check-in on primarily permissionless and sort of what went down there. And also touched on our zaddies, mint out. Our mint out. And then feelings. We had some feelings. We had some feelings about permissionless. We had some feelings about being considered a social good. There's a lot here. Give it a listen. Love you all. [02:17] you [02:21] So today we have Ali Pope with us and... [02:26] Allie Pope is the Director of Education and Events at Variant Fund, which is a web3 fund. Outside of Variant, Allie has worked as a contributor to several DAOs and projects across the ecosystem. She's very much in it. She helps design curriculum. She does a lot of writing and overall is a huge advocate for diverse talent and voices in crypto. And we obviously love. So welcome to the show. Welcome. Hi. Thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to be here. [02:55] Okay. So explain this tweet. We look at one of your iconic tweets and we unpack it. Before we do unpack it, we, we do it. [03:02] get a read from Natasha and me on like how much we, we understand it. Um, and basically like get a, get a sense for comprehension level. Um, your tweet that we're going to be unpacking today is, uh, okay. So your Twitter handle son of Allie, uh, you tweeted it in late April and it says Dave and Busters is a token gated community. I love it. So good. I love it. Natasha, what's your level

[03:32] sad if for this one in particular, it was, it was low, but, um, I feel like I need a bit of a refresher on like, I Dave and Busters, I was like at my first. [03:41] 15 year birthday party. So like, that's like far for me. And I'm like, okay, got to get back to that. But I feel like I'm pretty high. I would say like, I mean, this, the author is in the room, so I don't want to say a hundred percent because maybe I'm missing something, but like, I would say 90% comprehension. I'm at 90%. I've actually never been to a Dave and Busters, but I sort of have a mental model for what it is. [04:02] Have you been to one? Oh, of course. I grew up in Fort Lauderdale. Are you kidding me? It was a hot spot. Tim Busters can't be missed. Um, but Allie, please take it away. What's happening here? Unpack it. Yes. Well, um, I hate to disappoint, but I too have never been to a David. This is, this is the big secret behind this. When you guys send this to me, you're like, oh, we're going to have you explain this to you. I was like, wow, I'm going to have to reveal myself. So yeah, exactly. [04:32] older sibling is a comedian actually and had had their podcast and everything as well and they used to spend a lot of time at the Dave and Buster's in Rhode Island specifically because their their girlfriend loved to play the games there so I was often told about it this magical mysterious place and yes exactly and I was like sitting okay here's also backstory for most of my [05:01] I the ones that I think about.

[05:02] like for a long time, do horribly. They flop. The ones where it's like, I'm like literally like sitting on the toilet or like sitting in my bed and like just being like, oh, this seems like a random thought. Those ones do... [05:14] Very well. Makes no sense to me. There's no more to it. But this was one of those where it was just like shooting from the hip. And I was like, yeah, yeah. [05:22] David Buster's, it's kind of like Chuck E. Cheese. And so you go in and you get this, like now it's like fantasy. There's like a card, like a power card or something where they like load your points onto this card and you can play a certain number of games. And then through those games, you earn prizes or you can earn like food question mark. I don't know. But I was looking, I literally like prepping, like looking through their website to be like, I know my [05:52] I know you're kidding. But apparently they released an NFT. I don't know if this is fake news. I can buy that. I buy that. Yeah. Yeah. No, it says, it says literally Dave and Buster's NFT digital collectible coins and cards will be available in Dave and Buster's locations nationwide and can be claimed as prizes in exchange for tickets won. Wow. Wow. Any signal of any utility within these NFTs? No, not really. Not really. So I'm like, okay, did you read my [06:22] like seriously it's a it's a mint pass their card is now a mint pass it literally is yeah so um that's iconic first of all but yes that's that's the general sentiment behind this treat was i was like okay you get something and then in reward for that thing you can access these games right and you can also get food and it seems like they have a little play to earn thing going on now

[06:52] like never ever david busters nft there you go that's amazing uh well i feel like this this tweet really gives us some some things to talk about around um you know obviously how token-gated communities and what that looks like and obviously for boards club that's something we're thinking a lot about and i'm curious what your take is um something we constantly struggle with of like how do we if our mission is to onboard the next one million women to the space that are fresh to [07:22] and new to it. How do you balance inclusivity and basically an openness to new people with, you know, curation and vibe curation and protecting it with some sort of like a thing, like an NFT. And I'm curious what your thinking is around that. [07:39] - Okay. [07:40] Yeah, that's a really good question. I think so. When I was first getting into this space and looking at some of the token gated communities that existed, a mentor of mine or someone that I was friends with, she kind of described them as like internet country clubs where there was this barrier to entry. [08:10] into web three, I was really drawn to the idea of like accessibility of like breaking down existing systems of oppression and opening up access to people to have opportunities to like vast amounts of wealth or like really vibrant communities that they previously wouldn't have been exposed to. And so the concept of something like a token gated community was like very weird to me if it were like super, super expensive. Cause I'm like, that's not really accessible. That's not really

[08:40] some of the communities that I've been a part of that are like trying to figure out, right. Cause like the other side of that is like, if your community is totally open, right. Like if you have a totally open discord or whatever, like you can get out of hand very quickly, you can have people spamming the discord. You can have bots that are overtaking it, all this stuff. And that's not really a community that people are going to want to be a part of either. So I am somewhat of a proponent for application based like communities. I think like you obviously have [09:10] or how you're vetting people. But kind of having that be like the gateway and then like maybe, you know, they get a special NFT or a token or whatever, but it like at least puts up one piece or like one barrier between you and like just having a completely open community while also not being like super, super exclusive, right? And it doesn't even need to be like, oh, this is a super restrictive application. It literally can be like an application where you let 99% of people in, but you just want to see their reasoning for why they want to be a part of your community. [09:40] And so I think that's, that's, [09:42] what I think about often. I also think like for, um, crypto culture and society for semester two that we did, it was like, you had to purchase an NFT to be a part of semester two, but we also, and what I worked on a lot with them was like, [09:58] A scholarship program. So like either you could purchase an NFT or there were a certain number of seats for scholarships for people from traditionally underrepresented groups. And so that brought in a lot of like people who probably maybe wouldn't have otherwise been able to participate because of the financial barrier into the community as well.

[10:16] Yeah, we're thinking, you know, we're in this, we're a proto DAO right now and we're working towards becoming, you know, an official DAO. And one of the things that we're going to start with is like a minimum viable community and looking at like the core contributors and contributors in Boys Club as like a testing ground for like, how do we roll out governance essentially over Boys Club and like all this sort of stuff. [10:46] there's, you know, you do have, there is a level of privilege to be able to, your time is very valuable and that's definitely a thing to be thinking about, but being able to have access to a community with your time and with your contribution, um, feels really aligned with the mission of boys club of having it be possible for anybody who's curious about this space, who wants to learn more, who wants to get their feet wet, to be able to participate and have some say in the direction of where boys club goes. Um, but yeah, it's something that we're always thinking about and, and you see so many examples, [11:16] of [11:17] these crazy product or projects that like happen so fast and scale so fast because of just like the openness or the ability to just like buy and sell and like having an application and taking time to review those. Like it's a slower process, but, um, I think that it feels right. And for us, especially to be able to, um, have continue to grow what feels most valuable. And that's really like the vibe of the community. I would just, can I read devil's advocate for a second? [11:42] Let's hear it. I love it. Just to be a contrarian. So the other side of the coin is that yes. So for

[11:50] We have... [11:51] we're application based. We, you don't have to buy or own an NFT to get into boys club. We just have to sort of tell us why you want to join. Um, and then we have this sort of second layer of Dow contributors who are, um, [12:03] sort of in, in that, um, subset of the community, but, um, [12:09] because we don't have this sort of, [12:12] moment where people are buying an NFT to join. [12:16] there's no revenue, right? Like there's no like, there's no money. So like the other side of the coin is like, [12:23] And maybe it's actually healthy for there to be some moment where there's... [12:31] I don't know, some fee that's taken so that we can continue to do the work that we're doing. So, um... [12:36] that's not what we're doing. And it's, it's not like what I truly believe, but I can see an argument [12:41] that could be made for that type of approach where it's like, well, [12:45] Is this going to be sustainable over the long term? Are you going to be actually, you're going to have people to like run this thing and to, I don't know. So I'm curious like how that lands for you. [12:54] Thank you. [12:55] Yeah. I think like there is that, that is totally valid. Like, it's like, okay, like, what do you do then? Cause like, you're not actually getting people to pay and then you don't have money to do a lot of things that you want to do. I think one of the ways that I've seen people go about that as like a suggested, uh, like donation or like a suggested price for like entering the community. So for the people who are able to contribute financially, like they can do that. And like, it's like, they're supporting the community also like having like outside donors or like sponsors. Right. So like you think like more like grants like that, like we can use

[13:25] Exactly. Exactly. Which is sold out. Congratulations, by the way. Thank you. Yeah. So I think that's, you know, another aspect. Another thing is like merch. Obviously you guys did that too. Fantastic. But yeah, I think like the other side to things is like, then once you have that community, maybe like giving the community things that they want and for the people who are able to financially contribute, like they will do so because you've been able to foster that really tight knit community. And I think like, especially for [13:55] that are focused around like bringing more women into the space or bringing more underrepresented groups into the space. Like one of the things I talk about with folks the most is retention. And it's like, great. Like once we get people in the door, that's awesome. But like, how do you keep them here? Right. Like, how do you make it a friendly space that people actually want to stay in? And yeah. [14:13] it almost is like, it's pointless, like do something at the beginning where it's like, oh, you buy into a token or whatever, and then just have all those people leave. Right. Cause then the value of the community inherently goes down anyway. So I think like starting small and starting like kind of being really thoughtful about like who is in your community and like how you're building it from the ground up, then we'll allow that community to scale with like stronger bonds and everything that you've built at the beginning to then maybe get bigger and

[14:43] out further down the line. I love that. Um, [14:45] I have, I have a question for you. So community, the word community is like pervasive in web three. And I'm, I'm, [14:53] I'm so about it. I love it. I love our community. But if you had to define... [14:59] Community. [15:00] How would you approach that? [15:02] Oh my God. Great question. I'm just kidding. I tweeted about this actually too. I was like, how would you describe community? I think to me, when I think about community, I think about like the places where I feel the most supported. And I, I almost like to think about community as like a synonym for, for a support like network, right? Like it's like the people that you can fall back [15:32] being your, you know, full authentic self with, um, and that's what makes a really strong community is like acceptance, support and collective. Like, I think you all have to share it in like similar missions or at least be supportive of one another's missions in the space. And so I think cultivating that right. It's very difficult, especially when, um, people are scattered, you know, globally, and you might not be having as many, like in real life interactions or stuff [16:02] very dispersed and kind of spread apart. So I think in order to like create that kind of environment, there needs to be, I think, first and foremost, like values of the larger community that like allow things to either align or not align with those values. Right. And like, that's how you determine whether something is part of the community to keep that energy of support and acceptance really, really strong. So I think, you know, kind of a vague answer, kind of wishy-washy.

[16:32] the world we're in. Yeah. Yeah. [16:34] Um, that's that it's, it's, yeah, it's awesome to hear you talking about that. It's like, it's, it's what we think a lot about and like defining those values feels like it's work that feels. [16:46] And so like, when we sit down to do it as a DAO or as like a core team, I'm like, some of the time I'm like, man, why are we doing this? What's the point of this? Like, what is like, this feels so... [16:58] Like how philosophical. Yeah. We're like in the clouds and, you know, [17:02] Yet at the same time, I like... [17:04] can see how things can go really sideways really quickly when you don't have alignment on like those central tenants for what a community stands for. So, um, yeah, it's, it's, it's, uh, it's cool to hear you talk about it. Thank you so much for, for coming on. I, I can't, uh, recommend you as a Twitter follow highly enough. It's yeah, you guys know all my secrets. [17:34] Of course. [17:41] DAO time. What's not happening in our DAO, to be honest with you? There's a lot happening in our DAO this week or has happened in our DAO this week. I would say the highlights that we're going to walk you through right here, right now are Permissionless, which was this conference that happened this past week that we threw a party at, that our whole team went to, our whole core team went to, or most of them.

[18:04] first ever Genesis NFT sold out. Our zaddy sold out. It's a pretty big deal. I meant it out. [18:11] It minted out in a weekend, which was amazing. [18:16] But also there's other things like we have an event also next week. On Wednesday. Yep. We got an event. Again, just lots of people on the wait list. The town hall coming up. [18:25] We got a lot to do and a lot has been done. A lot there. Okay. So let's talk about permissionless. So what was your conference experience? What was the vibe there? I thought it was overall a fantastic conference. Fantastic. Shout out to BlockWorks. Yeah. Shout out to BlockWorks and Bankless. It was so professional. Professional is a weird word to describe it, but not expertly done, I guess. Expertly done. Yeah. The execution was there. It was very organized. [18:55] Okay. So coming into this conference, there was two things that I was really curious about for us. One, it was the first ever boys club party that we were throwing at a side party that we were throwing at a conference. So I was really curious about what that was going to look like and feel like. And then I really wanted to get a sense of the market. Like the market is whoo. Yeah, no bueno. No bueno. And, you know, I'm in a web two world all day and then web three by night. [19:25] that a lot of other people in the space have that are in it every day. And so I was really curious, spending, you know, three days deep, deep in it, if what the what the vibe was going to be, how people were talking about it. So those are some of the things I was thinking about. And I'm wondering what you thought about those things.

[19:42] Yeah, it was so... Basically, the first thing that happened to me when I got to the conference is I ran into Evan, and we were taking a little walk, and she... [19:56] And she was like... [19:58] The first thing that was said to me as I arrived at the conference, she was like, I love fair market conferences because... [20:03] Everyone's so earnest. It's so earnest. Like, I'm here for the tech. I'm here for the tech. Because the, like, euphoria is gone, right? She knows. So everyone's like, she knows. It was, like, such a – so pointed. It's such a drag. And I was like – and then over the next – the following couple days, I was like, man, it was reinforced so many times where people were like, the builders, the builders, we're here to build. We're just – Builders are here. We're flushing out all the tourists. And we're doing it. And so – No, and I think they're right. And I think, like, an insight that you talked to me about, which I think was really – [20:32] Cool, because you've lived through... [20:34] you've lived and worked and built through a bear market before is when this happened [20:40] during Gracia's time in like 2018, [20:43] um where you had like a bear market like a winter crypto winter there was it was all about like price action and that's the majority of what was happening in crypto and then now what you were saying which i think was some good learning for me is that there there's all this tech that has been built like during that time and then in this bull run like there's so much utility that has been built on top of that price action um and so the the [21:08] the hope and the manifestation is that like, because of that utility, because of the value that's been created and what's possible with, um, in this world now, it's going to be, it's going to look different than 2018. Is that sort of a fair? Yeah, totally. I think that it's, I think that 2018, 2019 bear market, um,

[21:28] Yeah, it was – we had come to it, myself included, in 2017 for the price action and then left when the price action stopped in 2018, 2019. I mean, I was building something, but it was very – it was impossible. But I think this bear market – we are fully manifesting this right now. We're just willing it into existence. It will be shorter because – [21:48] There's utility now. I think another thing is that it's seeped into culture in different ways. I think it's hard to put that genie back in the bottle a little bit. I think that a lot of these NFT projects are going to go right to zero. I think that… [22:04] stuff will get flushed out for sure, and there will be a lot of pain in that, but [22:08] I also think that [22:11] I don't know, it's like sort of starting to, you're starting to see it, [22:16] NFTs in particular, but also DAOs, it's starting to move into other areas, which will be harder to... [22:21] Um... [22:22] Which I think are sort of like permanent changes or signals that there's like some directional movement that I think will... [22:30] mean that this bear market will be shorter and less deep? I mean, I don't know. Famous last words, but... I think the other thing for me that was great about this conference around this in particular, around how bad the market is, is that I... [22:45] It was actually really inspiring to see people who have been in this space for a really long time not be phased by this type of... [22:51] Um... [22:52] just by the dip. They're just like, yeah, you should have, if you're in it, you should have this expectation that this is going to continue to happen. It's going to go up, it's going to go down, it's going to go up, it's going to go down. And like, it's not actually about that. And, um, that that's, that can sort of be like a distraction from the work and what's possible. And I found that really inspiring. Um,

[23:09] Because it was a lot of people who just... [23:11] have seen this rodeo before and they're not, they're not concerned. It's a natural order. It's a circle of life. Um, so another thing that happened at permissionless is that we threw a party. It was our first co-ed party, um, which, um, [23:26] was interesting um it was really fun we got it was like seeing all the boys club babes there like the best and just turned up they just really showed up and showed up to have a good time like looked amazing everyone brought really great energy and like just connecting with with [23:47] Everyone in our community was the best, 10 out of 10. [23:52] all the dudes that showed up with invitations who had context, like anyone, any of the men that came, [24:00] Um... [24:02] that had an invitation. [24:03] And they were all great. And it was so fun to hang out with all of you. It was so fun to hang out with all those dudes. Because they had context for what Boys Club is. And they have context for what it means to be building a female-centered space in this world, which... [24:18] is unique for [24:20] for better, for worse, right? And they have context for like, [24:25] I'm not going to like sacred feels like it's, we're like, that feels too. Yeah. But like, you know, there's something where like, we're building something. It's intentionally designed. It's something special about it. It's very intentional. It's for women. So any dude that's coming in, like.

[24:40] So I think sort of has the understanding that he's like maybe taking the space from a woman. And like it's fine for a party like that. Like the conference is 75% men. Like let's do it. Let's network. Let's get everyone there and have a good time. But – [24:52] What pissed me off was the dudes who came at the end who did not have an invite and therefore didn't have the context for... [24:58] What... [24:59] Boys Club was and what it represented and what we're trying to do for our community. And for the listener, like, [25:05] It was... [25:07] 300 people. [25:08] that we could have on the RSVP list. And then there were another 300 people on the wait list. So the last hour and a half, the door was just mayhem around people trying to get in. It was totally mayhem. And it was like copy and paste. It was just all dudes. Copy and paste dude with a backpack on. Dude in cargo shorts with a backpack and a sense of entitlement. It was copy and pasta on the people. Please, goodbye. So anyway, I think we have some learnings for next time. We're definitely going to do a bunch of stuff at NFTNRC. [25:38] looking at ECC as well and [25:42] We'll do more parties. It's great for networking. It's great for the community to get together and have a good time. In addition to the more serious programming stuff that we do at other events, I think there's a place for parties, and I think it's great. Yeah. I think also what was really cool about this is our community events have been, up until now, majority women who are new to the space, learning about the space, trying to get into it. And what was fun here was like... [26:04] Basically, everybody who's there because they're there for the conference was working full time in crypto and like very legit professional women in the space who are just crushing. And it was so and all of them almost are in our community. And so it was so fun to like.

[26:20] Just... [26:20] get a little deeper into like their experience, how the conference was going for them, what was coming up for them. And that felt really interesting. [26:29] like special to have a space for that for them and for us um to to sort of just connect and and have fun together um okay and so that was permissionless and then um [26:41] One thing that like, I think was, was that you said this week that I thought was like a really sharp insight was, okay, so I had a panel on the last day and it was, it was a lovely panel, Melanie from Pools and Maggie from SheFi and Leighton was our moderator from Pool Together. And, yeah. [27:00] Um, [27:02] We are talking, we're talking about onboarding and we're talking about like how we're like [27:06] all of our groups are approaching like getting the next group of people into web three and crypto and like whatever. And, um, [27:16] we get off and you're like, you're like, it's so interesting that like people see what we're doing and like what Maggie's doing as like some niche thing when women represent literally 51% of the population. Like it's like, how, how is it like this like niche sort of approach? Like, and I, and it is, and like, I get why it is, but like, it is hilarious that like we're sort of seen as like [27:43] Some... An affinity group. People literally call us an affinity group. And I'm like... [27:48] I am not, I don't understand. Like half of the population is,

[27:53] has this affinity. Like, I don't understand. So anyway, and I think because of that, people see us as a public good. They see us as a nonprofit. Like there's, there's moments in conference, not everybody, but there's moments in conversation where people are like, [28:08] I can tell that's the energy they're bringing. Yeah. Like, keep up the good work. I love what you're doing. It's like, no, no, man. No. Yeah. I'm sorry. And I'm like, you should be taking this more seriously than that. [28:18] And I feel, yeah, I've been thinking about that a lot. And like, it doesn't sit right with me because it's not what we're doing. It's not like we're building a business here and we're building a business, a missional business, but like. [28:33] If any great business, missional, shout out, shout out to missional, but like any great business like operates with like a vision and a mission. And like, it's funny that if that mission and vision is around. [28:46] Um... [28:48] I guess women or an affinity group, it's considered a nonprofit and, or like a foundation. And I don't know. So that's something that came up and yeah, I could use a little bit. Like there were, there were not all the conversations, but there were some conversations where I was like, [29:04] There's like some patronizing energy that's coming from here. Oh, big time. Which I could do without, honestly. And I think... [29:14] I think we just need to... [29:17] we need to figure out why that's happening. If it's somehow... [29:22] a result of our positioning. I don't know, but like it's, it's, it's, that was very interesting to experience at permissionless. The next thing is, you know,

[29:30] We sold out of our first NFT. Can you believe? It went in a weekend. It went. It went. And it was so amazing to see... [29:41] all the action, there's some action on secondary. [29:44] Even though we're like, [29:46] There's no... [29:47] I mean, the utility is that like you, there's not like not a lot of utility, like intentionally positioned that way so that. [29:55] Yeah. [29:57] you know, always, uh, [29:59] Under promise and over deliver is our mantra at Boys Club. So there will be utility and like there will be things that Azadi will unlock, but like that's [30:07] We were sort of a little bit vague about that. [30:10] And... [30:11] So the secondary sales and secondary markets, interesting to see. Yeah, I mean, so I feel really happy. I'm really excited that we sold out. [30:19] Um, everybody and their mother told us we didn't need to be worried about it, that it would sell out. And then it was nice that all those people were correct. And a lot of great people showed up and put their money where their mouth is. Yeah. Yeah. I really appreciate it. I appreciate all that. I think one, a couple of learnings, one, if you're doing, if you're doing a pass style NFT, number them. [30:39] we didn't remember them and i think that was a big mess so that was a really big mess so like [30:45] You know, when people are like, I'm bored, Ape 635, or like whatever. Pulse, we did it too. Like we – [30:53] shoo overhead yeah that was a mess that was a mess and then the second learning was there's [31:00] all the hustles in the pre-sale. Like all the hustles in the pre, like we got a bunch of communities in different places.

[31:08] funds and firms and bankless and pool suite and all these people on board and in the [31:13] sort of a pre-sale moment. And it was very reminiscent to our days at Indiegogo. Yeah. I think like part of, uh, what had been stressful about the prior week is like, we're coming from, we both worked at Indiegogo before this, which is a crowdfunding platform. And, [31:29] It was just like so PTSD of those days where like you don't just like launch an NFT and be like, oh, like hopefully people will buy it. Just like you wouldn't launch like a crowdfunding campaign, hoping that you would sell out just by like having it on the Internet. [31:42] There's a lot of work that goes into it beforehand and a lot of ground that you have to [31:49] work in order for it to to have the momentum you want when it goes live so just know if you're thinking about dropping an nft if you're in that space if you're wondering how it works like [31:59] It's, there's a lot of partnerships, marketing, like, [32:03] connection work that happens before launch moment. I'd say 90% of it was before. Yeah. And then everything that happens at, at and after mint is like just God's will. Totally. Um, okay. Last thing really quickly is next Wednesday, we're shaping another event, event, event, event, event, event, um, um, [32:23] We have Yana from Zora. Zora is just the coolest. And she is the coolest. Very cool. Like, so, so, so cool. Talking about crypto and culture. [32:33] So make it happen. There's a wait list. There's a wait list, but sign up and if you DM us, we can maybe. Yeah. Yeah. We'll figure it out. I mean...

[32:42] I feel like I'm getting so much looser about these things where I'm just like, whatever. If we're over capacity by like 300 people, what doesn't even matter? Which is not right at all. We cannot be that way. But anyway. [32:56] It's time for the feelings check in. [32:59] feelings check in. How are you feeling? [33:03] Bone, bone tired. It's how I'm feeling. Um, bone tired and like, [33:10] So, [33:12] I had so much fun. I had so much fun. Much fun this week. Like tired in a way that it like happy tired where I'm just like, I just want to eat a bagel and lay on my couch and like smile. Like that's how I feel. I know. It was so fun. So for context, it was for someone who hasn't listened to the last 20 minutes of the podcast. You're skipping right to the feelings. So someone's like, I'm a huge fan of feelings. I just I'm going to fast forward to the feelings check in. Right. We are permissionless, obviously. [33:42] And we originally was just going to be like a handful of us going. And so we got an Airbnb that was like – Tiny. It was like four bedrooms, three or four bedrooms. And it was just like – everyone had their own room. It was a very respectable, very adult situation. And then – [33:56] Like just it just like, yeah, it started turning into something. Well, really what happened? I want to come. And then it ended up being nine women in a four bedroom sharing beds, sharing bathrooms. It was like a frat house. It was frat house vibes. There were so many shoes at the front of the door. So many shoes. Like hundreds. Hundreds of shoes.

[34:18] But it was just like really fun. So it was obviously incredible to hang out with everyone for days at that. [34:25] with the core team, but also, um, seeing everyone from the boys club community at permission. And it's like, just the vibes were so great. Everyone I met, I was like, man, you're awesome. I think really like a highlight for me is, um, we will, I I'm, I'm curious to hear your feelings check in apart from this, because there was a point where Dina and I were walking quickly walking out of the conference. Cause Dino was about to cry, which tears, tears for shit. [34:55] her personal brand alive and she did that she must cry at each crypto conference we go to so we were quickly fast feet walking towards the outside and there's this long hallway where everybody is walking and we're walking down dina has a boys club dot eath hat on and i see this girl walking this woman with two of dudes walking towards us with a boys club hoodie on and we all point at each other and we just say i love you i love you and then we just walk past each other it was actually it's boys club boys club i love you i love you and then we walk past each other and it was [35:24] Like I get chills thinking about that moment because there's basically no women in the room. And then the women you see are like sporting boys club. It was just, it felt great. It was needed. And in that moment, it was very needed. It was, it was a great boost. So yeah, feeling over, over, overarching, overwhelming feeling is just like joy, a sense of, of real fulfillment at connecting with the other people in boys club and just the other women at the conference.

[35:54] like [35:55] Beautiful. The Bankless guy, like everyone, it was fun to hang out with everyone. So fun. So yeah, tears are shed though. Yeah, let's talk about it. Let's get in. So I think honestly, a big part of it was just like feeling very full of emotion. You know, when you're just like, man, there's a lot of feelings. It's right here. Good feelings, bad feelings. Like, it's just like a lot of feelings. So I think I was like primed to cry and also just like people and tired. It's very overwhelming. Yeah. Yeah. [36:21] But yeah, I cried. [36:24] Um... [36:25] Really... [36:27] Related to my day job. Mm-hmm. [36:30] And... [36:30] I don't know that I'll bore people with the actual details of why, but... [36:35] It was just sort of related to a sense of [36:38] Not really knowing what my place is. Yeah. Which I think is a theme for me. It's like not really knowing like... [36:45] Where... [36:47] I'm... [36:48] where I'll have the most impact. And like there was something that happened at work where I was like, man, that just really came to the surface for me. And... [36:56] I think also like just being in a crypto conference where there's like... [37:01] just so much success and everyone seems so confident, like they know what they're doing and everyone has their path. And then like coming up against a feeling of like, man, I don't know what mine is that, um, yeah, [37:12] It's hard, but we worked through it. [37:14] Got to the other side. Got to the other side, put some visine in my eyes and then went right onto a panel. Hello, I'm Dina Burke and I'm the co-founder of Boys Club 15 seconds later. So, you know, we make it happen. But one thing that I did want to talk to you, this is we're doing it live. We wanted to check in with you on.

[37:33] is like, [37:35] I had some feedback for you about your panel. [37:38] And I felt bad because everybody wasn't funny enough. That's not actually what I said. I said you were very serious and everybody else was like, you did amazing. Like Parker was like crushed it. Epic. Like people were losing their mind. And you're so supportive though. I do. I'm starting to, to, to second guess Parker's compliments now. Cause she's so complimentary. And I'm like, man, does she really mean it? No, but she'll shut you down. She will shut you down when she thinks you're wrong. [38:01] I've seen her do it to other people and to me. And I'm like, I love this about you. She'll be like, no, I don't like him because this is why. And I'm like, Oh, cool. Great. So she would tell you, um, [38:11] But like, I feel like, [38:13] We have a very honest relationship. And like, I would want you to give me feedback. But then I felt bad because everybody around was like, you're amazing. You did so great. And I was like, whoa, I'm coming off really negative. And I'm not. I just have some constructive feedback. And then we all got in a car. Okay. I felt bad because I was like, maybe I should just like shut up and been like, perfect. No, I mean, you can give me. [38:35] I think here's what our relationship is. [38:38] can offer both of us. One, you give me the honest feedback, which is that I wasn't funny enough. I was too serious. That was not my feedback. No, no, no. You can give me that feedback. And then I can [38:49] decide whether or not I care about that feedback. Great, great. And I decided to not care about that feedback. And in deciding to not care about that feedback... [38:56] drag you a little bit in the process. So that's just what we see. Oh, perfect. I'm completely at peace. Yeah, yeah, that's totally what happened. As long as like I didn't do something, all I care about is that you felt supported. And I was like, oh, I felt completely supported. I felt so supported that I knew that I could.

[39:10] then drag you. Yeah. That's how supported I felt. Great. Okay. I'm really happy to hear that. Um, [39:16] And next time I'm coming with some jokes. I'm going to write some jokes in advance. No. It's just like. [39:22] I'm going to be. It's going to be SNL and I'm going to be holding those big lines. [39:31] Okay. It's draft tweet time. We're doing it? It's draft tweet time. [39:38] So. I think you go first. I have one. Yeah. I have two this week. I feel okay about them. [39:46] I think you'll get... [39:47] but I guess it's a little niche. Okay. I'll bite. What is V con? [39:53] I seriously do. I know. It's a little bit of an ask as well. Please tell me. But I thought about sending this one this morning. [40:02] I've come back to it a couple times, but I don't want to like... [40:05] offend okay for the listener i the only reason i know this is because i was with you this week gary v who is a um [40:12] Like an influencer. I don't know. Maybe that's rude to even call him that. I don't think he needs explanation. Oh, two months ago, I would have needed explanation for who Gary Vee is. He's a personality in the space, has all these businesses. I would say a polarizing figure. [40:27] He is. Yeah, he is. So he... [40:30] He's really into NFTs. He's throwing a conference. I just don't want to like... People love to dunk on him. And I... [40:37] This could be perceived as like me dunking and that's not like part of my personal brand to dunk on people. So I don't think it's a dunk. I think you can send it out. And then if you start to get some heat for it, you can say this is a genuine ask. This is a genuine ask.

[40:50] OK, that's number one. Number two is takes a little explanation. But basically last night. [40:57] um, like in the middle of the night. So, so, uh, here's the explanation at boys club, [41:01] The Twitter account that we have, a bunch of us share the logins. It's totally free-for-all, free-form Twitter strategy. [41:11] Every once in a while something will come through you where you're like, who's behind the wheel here? Anyway, last night someone tweeted... [41:16] I don't need a boyfriend. I need a dog from the Boys Club Twitter account. And... [41:22] So my tweet would be a quote tweet of that that says, what I love about the Boys Club Twitter is that a bunch of us share the login, and so you never know who is going through it. Okay. Someone was going through it last night, and I love it. [41:34] It was somehow made its way to be expressed in our... [41:38] voice club twitter i love i love that i love this too i feel like this tweet needs work because i've thought about this tweeting this sentiment too because it is truly one of my favorite things that there are just agents of chaos that operate on twitter total chaos and you never know who it is like there was like a chris jenner tweet the other day and i was literally like who did this like it is perfect it is so flawless and like the it's just it needs to be known that there's [42:08] Over and over. Yeah. [42:09] Okay. Okay. So what do you got? So I have a few, I don't feel like super strong about like necessarily any of these. Um, but you know, let go and let God here. Um, [42:20] This one, it needs work, but I've got to tell you, watching kids perform is the most cringe thing of all time.

[42:29] I hate it. That's such a burn. I can't. Anytime a child is performing, I want to die. It makes me uncomfortable. It makes me feel like just icky. Is there like an age that they pass the threshold that you're like, this is okay? I think the problem is I hate performance in general. Like... [42:48] I hate it. That's a pretty big take. The pretty big sweeping take we got here. I mean, remember when we went to a piano bar in Nashville when I visited Dina and [42:57] And like, it was such a cool space and it was great. But like, I was so worried about the performer the whole time. I was like, I wonder how she's doing. I wonder how she's feeling. I wonder if she's enjoying this. I wonder if she's nervous. And like, I'm just concerned about the performer the whole time. Doing the emotional labor for the whole room. The whole room. And then when it's a child... [43:19] I... [43:21] Even more so. It's not out of concern. It's not about a warmth in my heart for the child. It's not warm. It's not warm. It's just. It's annoyance. It's annoyance. I'm just like, shh. That's how I feel. I don't want to listen to that. You know? Come on. You have to agree with me. [43:33] I mean, I do enjoy watching like child prodigies. [43:38] like a worse like a prodigy on the piano I'd be like oh yeah let's see it [43:43] You would. But... [43:45] I think so. Yeah. That comes across your explore tab on, on TikTok. You're, you're tuning in. [43:51] Like a prodigy piano player? Well, you wouldn't know. You wouldn't know. You would see a kid at a piano. Oh, I would probably skip through with a kid at a piano. But like if I was watching it and I was like, oh, man, they're really good. I would probably stick around.

[44:07] But I get it. I get it. I think that, yeah, you're missing some maternal instincts here that's represented in this. Yeah. It's great. I'm dead inside. All right. What's next? Okay. Okay. The next one is me, colon, locking in my nudely order. [44:21] Boys club NFT team colon deploying our smart contract. I am not worthy. [44:27] uh for those who don't know newly for the listener newly is a rent the runway style website that torments me every month when i place my order chamber it's a torture chamber for me um and we're just deploying our um our second smart contract today so that's where that's at um okay we'll see you guys next week bye