Ep 144: MALWARE - Crypto in politics, Solana ETF, NYC Airbnb Ban, Figma Config, MSCHF vs. Crypto the Game, Tin Foil Hats

[00:00] This is the cold open. It's four minutes of me talking about therapy and the air conditioning. Malware is a non-technical look at the tech news of the week. This is a podcast where we learn together about everything from crypto to AI to whatever comes next in tech. I'm Natasha Hoskins. I'm Dina Burke. And this is Boys Club. Wait, is it just Boys Club? It's just Boys Club. [00:22] The Boys Club podcast? No, no. [00:24] Just boys club. [00:25] Hey, how's it going? It's going good. It's hot as fuck here. So I have to close the windows too when we're recording a podcast and I have just been, we had several podcasts and then I had [00:37] therapy and I've just been just sweating just like sweating you're hot boxing over there in Europe yes Natasha and I we share a calendar so I always know what she's up to when you're in therapy how you feeling we're post-therapy recording a podcast that's always tough it was good it was not like there's some times where I've just afterwards been like I gotta bail on whatever totally um but today was not that we did talk a lot about money partially because I was like I [01:07] And we had a really nice transparent conversation around it. And she's just great. I can't recommend therapy enough to people. It's fantastic. I need it in my life. And she's just a wonderful person. Can I ask how much it costs? It's $250 an hour. Okay. It's a sliding scale. So if your financial situation changes, but she has her own practice.

[01:30] So like me being like, hey, my financial situation has changed. I need the scale to change or can the scale change, which is. [01:36] appropriate task is saying, can you make less money? [01:40] Like it's very, it's very direct in that way. Cause there's no insurance involved. For her, there's no insurance. Some people there's insurance, or if you go to like a social worker, it's different, but she's just like a private practice person. [01:51] in New York. So I can submit and I have a really high deductible in my health insurance. This is really getting into the weeds, but it might help somebody. So basically I submit all of my health care to my insurance and it goes towards my deductible and then it will change once I hit my deductible. But until then you're just paying out of pocket and with her. [02:09] Or in some cases. So it's really expensive, but like never in a million years would I be able to start with a new therapist at this point. I've been with her for four years. She knows everything. You're entrenched. Yeah, totally. She knows all my friends. She knows all the tea. This woman has all of the tea on everybody. Anyway, we're coming off it feeling better than when I started, which is great. [02:30] Great. I am very warm. [02:32] And you know me, I am a, I don't do well and I love air conditioning. The first thing when Natasha comes to visit me in Nashville, Tennessee, first thing she does goes and turns on the air conditioning. [02:43] My husband and I are like, our Florida gal has arrived. I'm so sorry. She is. She's with us now. It's great. It's just, you really need air conditioning. I really need air conditioning. I love hot weather. I love the New York city summer. I am happy to be sweating on the platform steps and like running around the city,

[03:02] your makeup melting off. I think it's hot. Like I'm like, this is sexy. The city is alive. But as soon as I am home, [03:09] We're pumping that AC. We're pumping it. That's actually what the Charlie XCX song is about for me. It's going to be 69 degrees in my home at all times because I am too, I just don't want to be hot when I'm in my home. I just don't. Yeah. And Europeans just, they just sweat it out like crazy people. And you do that too, actually. You will just sit there and you will work and you will just be sweating. [03:30] And I'm just like, how is that possible? My mom is Brazilian, as you know, and she has a real aversion to air conditioning. Just culturally or like? Something about like old Brazilian ladies. And she's not like, not to call her an old Brazilian ladies, but like they just, there's a cultural difference. Okay. And she, yeah, just didn't grow up with it. And so now, and also like always complains about it whenever it's on. And so I think I've absorbed some of that. And so. But not when I'm in town. Not when Natasha's in town. No, we gotta, we gotta pump the AC. Okay. Should we get into it? [04:00] We should get into it. [04:02] This is malware. This is our Friday podcast where we talk about tech, [04:08] emerging tech tech news from the week and have a great time and shoot the shit there was a really nice warp cast i don't even know i'm not really on there did you see it that some guy said the nicest thing about us i need to respond to it but did you see that i did yeah it was really so nice so um [04:25] So some people are listening and enjoying it. [04:29] You might too, listener. No, but seriously, thank you for listening. And also, if you could give wherever it is that you listen to this podcast a rating.

[04:37] ideally a good rating and subscribe on spotify both those things help us considerably so please do that please do that and if you leave a negative review at least make it funny because we screenshot them and post them we won't dox you but we will post it so just make it good because then it's content for us you know totally [05:00] Hey, Natasha. So a question we get asked a lot is, what do you look for in a crypto platform? So let's talk about it. Well, Dina, I look for a secure, no fuss platform that I can dive into right away. That's why I love today's sponsor, Kraken. If you're waiting for the right time to get into crypto, Kraken makes it super easy and intuitive to get started. Plus, if you get stuck, they have an award-winning client support team that's available 24-7, along with a bunch of educational guides, articles, and videos to help you along the way. [05:29] to kraken.com backslash boys club and see what crypto can be not investment advice. Crypto trading involves risk of loss. Cryptocurrency services are provided to us and us territory customers by payward ventures, incorporated PVI DBA kraken view PVI's disclosure at kraken.com backslash legal backslash disclosures. [05:50] So a couple stories to share. The first one that we're going to lead with here is talking about crypto and the upcoming presidential election. There were two really big media moments that happened this past week. [06:04] that relate to this idea of crypto influencing the upcoming election that I want to talk to you about. The first one was the All In podcast with Trump. I know that you're, I can see you, you have seen my notes and you know that. No, I didn't look at your notes. I didn't look at your notes today. No, I'm just laughing at the memes of, I don't know the All In guys, but the one guy who like seems like maybe he's the main guy. Do you know him? I must admit, I don't really listen to, I don't listen to All In. So I don't know the guys and their personalities. So. Okay.

[06:34] that was going around because he looked really stupid. He had like big glasses on. He just looked like he was like trying to play a part and people were not having it. Oh, in the interview with Trump? [06:43] Yeah. In the interview with Trump. Yeah. Oh. And also his video quality was awful. And I'm like, you're literally a billionaire. Get a DSLR and fire it up. This is a important interview for you. Oh, I missed. I missed the meme cycle around. There's a meme cycle around. I wish I knew his name, but he's the main guy and his PFP on Twitter is him in college. I think he looks nothing like that now. And so then people were also sort of memeing that. And it was like brutal. Me in the [07:13] really like faux professional or looking like messy okay because he was trying to look he was trying to look smart when he was interviewing donald he was trying to look smart yeah okay and he put on his glasses [07:21] And he put on some glasses and his screen was really dirty. And it was like, it wasn't working. What are we doing? It was a mess. Yeah, it was a mess. Okay. Well, I listened to the All In podcast interview with Trump. So everyone else here that's listening didn't have to. If you did and you enjoyed it, that's great too. But I will say the one thing as it relates to crypto is that within the first two minutes, it's like basically the first thing that they're talking about is crypto. It gets mentioned very early on. Okay.

[07:51] fundraiser that was held at David Sachs who's one of the all-in guys his house and we covered this in the newsletter last week so there was this big Silicon Valley Trump fundraiser and the story that Trump is telling he's like yeah I met the Winklevoss brothers they were there they came they donated a million dollars each terrific terrific they might have started the whole thing and I think what he's insinuating in that I think they might have started the whole thing is like kind of the big like [08:21] Like he's saying that he started crypto. They started Bitcoin. He said they did well. They might have started the whole thing. [08:29] Which... [08:29] I love that. I love that. That's so stupid. So the interview, it's worth listening to, to understand a part of the internet for sure. And Donald Trump, I would say my takeaway from that [08:46] interview is that he's definitely pandering to [08:50] the tech community he's definitely pandering to the business community he talked a lot about cutting corporate taxes so talking about how you know in his the bravado that he uses when he talks he's like i would cut the most taxes in history or whatever and then he talks about how he took taxes from 45 to 21 and he's like i want to take it lower he also wants to cut regulation so he's using all the talking points that are he somewhat argue pro business okay and were the all-in guys

[09:20] ass pro trump okay up his ass completely in fact so much so that like in fairness i think they wanted to let him they wanted to get as much of him talking as possible which is what i would do if i was a podcaster but you are a podcaster but i mean specifically with him you want to get yeah they yeah didn't really push i mean there was like a natural question following him talking about cutting taxes which is like what would [09:50] I talked about that a little bit, but didn't really push him on it. Are they all conservative? Like, do you think they'll all vote for Trump or do you think they were just pandering to him? They weren't all convinced by the end of it, but there's definitely a couple that are like really, really, really pro-Trump. And then there's some that we're still needing some convincing. But anyway, like that was a big moment. I think a big interview, obviously, for them, but I think for Trump as well. [10:11] I also watched [10:12] The Donald Trump, Jake Paul. [10:14] Oh, my God. Well, you went to the bowels of the internet. I have been. I have been just trying to understand what's happening. To hell and back. He's really doubling down. I will say the one thing that I do not know and that I feel whenever I'm listening to him speak about crypto specifically, definitely, but also like just his take on everything is that like I don't believe him. He says what people want to hear. [10:37] Yeah, he's a pathological liar. Totally. Everyone's like, he's pro-crypto, pro-crypto candidate. I'm like, do you really trust that he's going to do the things that he's saying he's doing right now in the campaign trail? Also, he doesn't even know what crypto is. To be deeply pro-crypto, you would have to have some understanding of the industry, which I have...

[10:55] Based on him thinking that the Winklevoss twins were the inventors of cryptocurrency. I'm sensing a bit of a red flag. Totally. Okay. So that was the first thing. That was a big moment. And then the second thing was this New York Times article that came out. The headline was, how crypto money is poised to influence the election. And Ryan Selkis, Masari gets a big... Gang's all here. Big opening paragraph. Huge. It's basically... [11:21] an article about ryan selkis it's crazy how it's it's crazy i don't know who his publicist is but she is working ot like big time big time and basically it's about how there's these super packs that have raised i think the figure that they say is 150 million dollars to elect pro crypto candidates in congressional races and it's ripple coinbase and andreessen horowitz have all [11:51] strategic about coming into different congressional races and backing Democrats and Republicans. It's both sides. It seems to be bipartisan. But that there's just this shift. Ryan's quote is there's 50 million people who hold crypto. It's a lot of voters. And so there's this narrative that's brewing and picking up a lot of steam around the [12:08] crypto swinging the election and it's really interesting to see it play out in mainstream media now. Yeah, it's interesting. [12:16] I do not buy it. I'm like, of those 50 million people who hold cryptocurrency, [12:24] How many of those people are single issue voters around crypto? Very few. Totally. I'm not. I'm not. Yeah. That's crazy to make an assumption that those people are voting based on the fact that they hold some ETH.

[12:36] Yeah. [12:37] That's my main problem with it. It's... [12:40] People don't give a fuck. Most of those people don't give a fuck. I hear you. There's a debate tonight, presidential debate tonight, and it'll be interesting to see if it comes up. Can't wait to meme it. Do you think it will come up? What's your thing? Oh, that's a really good question. I would be sort of surprised if in this first debate it comes up. I just feel like there's much more pressing issues. Crazy times. The other thing just on the crypto of it all is just now Solana ETF filed by VanEck. So we'll be interesting to see how the plays out. LFG. As ever. I don't [13:10] Can you believe? Oh, look at her go. Yeah. I've been watching it. It's not really moved. It's kind of in the same spot when I bought it. It's like up and down and up and down. I'm like, okay, I really thought this was going to be like my whale moment. And bought it, of course, way too late. The top. Yeah. Always. I am a top signal. A hundred percent. I am a top signal. So, but that's exciting. That's really exciting. Yeah. [13:40] I know it's something you're going to be excited to talk about hotels. [13:43] Oh my gosh. My alma mater industry. I am such a hotel girly. Natasha came, comes, came from the travel industry, hotel maxi, luxury hotel maxi. Huge luxury hotel maxi. The amount of money that I've spent on hotels is, I'm not ashamed. [14:03] but I'm aware. I mean, I think it's like when you're thinking about your life and things that bring you immense joy and pleasure, that's what you spend on. And then you don't spend on much, as much on other things. I don't know other things. Yeah. I'm not a big shopper. I don't spend a lot of money on clothes, but I will spend, I will drop some cash for a nice hotel. And I know them. Once you, the problem is once you know it and once you experience it, you can never go back. You can never go back. And so that's been my main issue is I have tasted and

[14:33] and it is good, but hit me with it. I do know what happened, but for the listener. Okay, so as you know, as I know, New York City hotel prices... [14:43] have gone. [14:45] in-sane. Bonkers. [14:48] crazy prices. When I was in still working in travel a few years ago, post COVID every year over year, prices for hotels in New York City were going up 25 to 35% every year, which is crazy. Like that means that a hotel that was like $400 a night, [15:07] don't quote me on the math here, but loosely held. It was like $400 a night. [15:13] Two, three years prior was like a $1,200 a night hotel like three years later. And it's the same property. It's the same... It's the same room. It's the same room. Nothing has changed. It's just... [15:23] demand on that room and what the market will allow. Yeah. Well, there is some speculation that it, [15:31] relates also to the ban of short term Airbnb rentals. Yes. So that's what the story about. There was a Business Insider piece that came out this week that basically connects the dots between the rising hotel prices and the recent ban of short term Airbnb rentals in New York City. There's other things that relate to rising hotel costs, but this is just like one piece of it. [15:51] before i get into the story i want to say that i know i know very little about housing a couple weeks ago we talked to kyla scanlan who's an economist and she that was like the one thing that got her very animated [16:02] And she was very passionate about housing and the housing crisis and affordable housing and...

[16:09] I also see on my Twitter timeline like [16:11] the yimby's and the nimbys like always going at it and yeah [16:16] So I just want to say I know very little, but in the spirit of this podcast, we're learning together. And this is a learning together moment. So New York City last year. [16:25] put [16:26] some regulation into place that... [16:29] was meant to alleviate the housing shortage and lower rents in New York City. [16:34] Because they were basically like, there's too much of our rental inventory that is being used for... [16:40] short term rentals. Yeah. And [16:43] If we remove that, [16:45] Then that inventory will shift back to regular rentals and your rent that I know you're thinking a lot about right now. Every day. Every day thinking about that. There won't be as much pressure on it for it to be rising, which is my understanding. I don't live in New York City, but my understanding is that rentals. Insane. [17:02] rental prices are insane insane i think the average cost of a one bedroom in manhattan [17:07] in 2024 is 5200 the average cost [17:12] That's insane. That's unlivable. That's unlivable. Yeah, totally. I think it's really well intentioned this regulation. We have this problem that every year seems to be getting worse and worse and worse. And there's this potential cause or partial cause of this problem, which is the Airbnb short term rental inventory. I appreciate that it is trying and it's not going to be a problem. [17:33] Yet. [17:34] It seems as though that ban went into place last year and the housing prices, my understanding, is that it hasn't changed at all. And there's been weird other external changes.

[17:46] consequences of this ban one of which is like insane hotel prices hotel prices i love that actually nothing got cheaper something got more expensive unintended consequences totally exactly and i get it this was a gamble worth making but it doesn't seem like it's paid off [18:02] No, I mean, I think the argument could be like, it hasn't worked yet. And like, you have to give it time. But I will say the hotel industry is... [18:09] It's just like, great. Honestly, I have equity in, so we had a travel startup. That travel startup was sold to another travel startup. And a big part of that acquisition was equity. And that business is fucking crushing. Like it's been doing amazing. And part of it is because hotel prices are, have never been higher ever in history. And so I'm seeing a silver lining for myself. There's no other silver lining besides that. It's very specific and it's only to me, but I'm going to [18:39] Last year, hotel occupancy shot to 82% in 2023. [18:43] above the average of 63 percent so it went up a lot considerably in new york city and then yeah your average hotel room costs 300 per night which is up it says 8.5 since 2022 but honestly my feeling is that it's high it's higher well also that's average if you're looking at actually luxury hotels or four to five star hotels that's absolutely inaccurate i would say to stay at a hotel that i would actually want to stay in in new york city you can't do it for less than 900 a night right now [19:11] Which is insane. I think you're going to want to cut that. [19:14] I'm not doing it. I'm not saying I'm doing that. But like the Bowery Hotel is $900 a night. The Bowery Hotel. Yeah. So like, you know, I'm not the Amon is $4,000 a night. I'm not doing that. That's a crazy thing to do. But Natasha's not staying in a holiday again.

[19:32] I'm not saying no, no. The Marriott in Midtown, which I stayed at recently and I honestly had a great time. No, I booked you at the Kempton. [19:39] Because you were like, I'm doing the Marriott. And I was like, I got you. Don't worry about it. I've got a better option. [19:43] Okay, so that's that second story. Really interesting. I will say it seemed like it was effective that the short term rental listings on Airbnb dropped from 22,000 to 8,000. [19:52] But all of those rentals are converting into medium to long term rentals on Airbnb to skirt the regulation. Right. [19:59] That's been my experience. They're not turning into the one-year leases. They're staying on Airbnb, just moving into a different category. Yeah. Like I have a few friends who either have Airbnbs in the city or help manage them as like a side hustle. And all of them just turned into extremely expensive sub leases. That's all they did. None of them went back on the market as long-term leases. And so now it's like, oh, some young person who doesn't know their ass from their elbow. [20:29] apartment in Crown Heights. That's what's happening. [20:32] And you hate to see it, but... You hate to see it. You hate to see it. [20:40] Next up here, we're going to talk about Figma. Figma had some big updates this week. What's Figma? Okay, Figma is a sort of easier to use Photoshop, maybe? InDesign? [20:52] Maybe it's a tool for designers. You love Figma. I love Figma. I build decks in Figma. I am not a Figma expert though. I'm totally clicking around in the dark until I figure it out. If an actual designer saw how I used Figma, they would be horrified, but I get some good stuff done in there and I like it. You seem to really have a skill on it. I will say I've seen Alana, our designers, Figma boards

[21:12] impeccably organized. [21:14] Yeah, that's not mine. Mine's like there's like a stray PNG always and I'm like, wait, I don't know why it's exporting like this. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. Next level. I mean, it is her literal job. So Figma config happened this past week. [21:31] We don't know a lot about it, so it's going to be a pretty short segment here, but essentially they are releasing all these new features. There's a bunch of AI features that they're building into it. It seems like it's going to make life a lot easier. [21:44] for a lot of people. One thing is let Figma AI name your layers. I know that naming layers is a big part of [21:52] graphic design chat. Graphic design is my passion. [21:58] So anyway, people are really excited about it. Also slides, Figma slides. It's a bit, it's another thing. Oh, really? Oh, here we go. I'm excited. That's going to be huge for me. Yeah. Wow. The one thing that did go viral that I, that I did see, I feel fully briefed on. It was the cringe dancing. Why are they doing that? Why did Canva do that? Why did Figma do that? [22:22] announcement things. Corporate conference. Yeah. It's a crazy move. It is. Is it Ragebait? Are they hoping that... [22:32] then everybody's like, oh, let's talk about the Figma updates because we're talking about that. Oh, maybe. Maybe it could be. I think it is probably just more like misdirected vibes.

[22:43] You know, like they're trying to like they're trying to cultivate community. Yeah. It's like that format of you have to come in the office for the culture and then it's like, that's the culture. Yeah. So, yeah, that's Figma. We love Figma. We'd love them to sponsor this [23:02] - Yeah. [23:04] It's time for a more open, inclusive, and transparent financial system. A system that serves nearly everyone, everywhere, all the time. That's why we love today's sponsor, Kraken. Kraken is a crypto platform that provides a super simple on-ramp to the world of crypto with a 24-7 support team. Crypto transcends physical and imaginary borders. No matter where you are, you can send funds easily and quickly to almost any part of the world. Plus, forget about waiting times and waiting lines. You can send, receive, and trade crypto anywhere near instantly. [23:34] There was some news this week, our beloved Crypto the Game. [23:57] shout out to Dylan, just an angel, Crypt of the Game. We did 10 days in the trenches doing coverage, live reporting on the game. For those who aren't familiar, it is basically like an internet survivor where contestants pool their funds and that acts as your sort of buy-in for the game. And then that also acts as the prize pool for the game. And you compete over a series

[24:27] Thank you. [24:28] It's so fun. It's all consuming. It is a wild ride. [24:32] and we love that team we love the work that they've done we do and they were recently recorded by uniswap so all great stuff from crypto the game they're going to do another season at some point but this week the reason why we're talking about it is because mischief also beloved launched their own venmo based internet survivor ish game and folks are saying [25:02] You're gonna put me on the spot. You're gonna make me put it on record, my thoughts. I haven't looked into it that much, so I just wanna say that first. And I do think there's every world in which the Mischief team saw Crypto the Game, and were like, "We can do a version of this." Could we rip off? I think if I were Dylan, I'd be super pissed, and be thinking about it all the time, and rightfully so. I am also just like a big believer in that there's nothing new under the sun. [25:27] And we're all doing things. And I've... [25:31] met the mischief team, I've been in that office, and I'm like, they have [25:35] literally 400 projects that they're working on at any given time they have a lot a huge team there's like 40 people who work there it's like a clubhouse where they're constantly launching ideas and i could see that this had been incubated already years ago and then they saw crypto the game and they're like oh okay there's demand for this type of thing let's bring it forward which fucking sucks if you're dylan and tyler and the rest of the team there so dylan don't be mad at me don't be mad at me for this take and we're copied all the time and i'm like okay maybe somebody's copying us or maybe

[26:05] is just like the zeitgeist and other people there's energy in the air and the only way I feel like to not be miserable and feel like everybody's always constantly copying you is to just be like I copied somebody and I didn't realize it but like in my you know [26:22] There's nothing new is sort of my take. Yeah. [26:25] I'm not playing it in solidarity to the team. Totally. Totally in solidarity. I stand with Dylan. I'm with you, though. I get that. I think also it just comes down... [26:35] to execution i did see a pretty big prize pot so far but i'm sure that there's no way it's going to be as fun as crypto the game i don't think it will be as networked as crypto the game is and i think that was actually miranda's take so i don't want to credit for it but she was like i think that part of what made crypto the game so successful is that crypto twitter and the community is like really well networked and we're all on twitter all the time and following each [27:05] continuity or engagement I think engagement I think if you're not [27:09] tapping into as well of a networked community i don't know maybe they have some strategy for that so it'll be interesting to see play do you remember how much the price pot was when i last checked it was like 105 000 so not nothing [27:19] No, nothing. [27:20] And I think they were taking $10 buy-in. So more people with a lower buy-in. Also will affect engagement. [27:26] Because if you're putting 300 bucks in, you're like, I'm going to play. Totally. But if you put 10 bucks in, you're like. [27:32] Okay, that's... [27:33] two coffees or whatever. And I'm really showing my cards.

[27:36] Like this is how much I spend on therapy. This is how much I would spend on a hotel if I could afford it right now. This is how much my coffee is. [27:44] Did you see that tweet that went viral a couple weeks ago that was like, this is what it costs to be a well-maintained woman in a hotel? [27:51] And... [27:52] 2024? No, but I would love to see it because I was like, oh, I got to go to Sephora. And then I was like, oh, I need $400 to go to Sephora. And I can't do that right now. So I'm going to look like shit for the next two months. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was itemized. And it was like, you know, the hair salon, the makeup, all the hair removal, waxing. It was itemized and it pissed a lot of people off because they were like, it doesn't cost that much. And then someone were like, actually, [28:22] I'm actually really frugal. I do feel like I need to just say that I'm a very frugal person. Totally. You can attest. I'm a budgeter. I budget totally a budgeter. Yeah, absolutely. One of the things that I saw recently that I loved and it's fed to me constantly. And I feel like part of it is [28:38] to reassure me, there's this like British woman, and she's beautiful, and she's like, I get, [28:45] Men all the time tell me, you know, what I just love about you is that you're just, you're just a natural beauty. You're just a natural beauty. And then she goes through and talks about every single thing that she spends money on. She was like, any woman who looks at me knows that I am not a natural beauty. She was like this jawline $10,000 and their hair extension. She's like my hair $2,000 every six months. She goes through it all. And she's like, I don't know who to tell besides you guys. I am not a natural beauty. I just really love it. I was like, that's, that is a woman.

[29:15] you. [29:15] who loves other women to be like, no, I'm PSA incorrect. Incorrect. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. [29:26] Last story here. I have been trying to talk about this story for four days. And no one will talk about it with me. So you're putting me on the spot. I'm putting you on the spot. We're ending with it here. MIA's tinfoil hat. Have you seen it? [29:43] I haven't. Am I the musical star? Yes. Oh, she's deeply problematic. You know that, right? I know she's deeply problematic. Okay, yeah, yeah. Deeply problematic. And this turn for her doesn't feel at all surprising. She's wearing a literal tinfoil hat? So she's not wearing it. She's selling it. It's merch. [30:03] Oh my gosh. And I gotta say, it looks kind of cool. You love it. It looks kind of cool. Here, let me get a photo for you. It's like dystopian. It's Mad Max. [30:13] Okay, it's way... It's a bucket hat. It's a bucket hat. It's made out of something called Faraday fabric, which... [30:21] I've had to research this. It's a fabric that is constructed from [30:26] metallic thread and this part of it I don't care at all about but the sort of reason for the Faraday fabric is that it blocks Wi-Fi 4G and 5G signals from reaching your brain. And part of the selling point one of the selling points is that it has 100% brain coverage. So it's just [30:44] There's something so funny about it. There's something so funny about it. Oh, man, I'm dying to know how much it is. Okay, let's see. I would guess...

[30:52] $65. $100. [30:58] 100 that is steep i know she's super problematic i'm not endorsing her i don't believe in it i don't believe that we need to i'll be wearing faraday fabric hats what if on this podcast episode you came out as like super pro trump and also like an anti-vax 5g-er and everybody's like whoa the new format of the podcast really gives a little bit more service area for dina's belief system [31:20] oh man okay well what a fun episode we covered a lot of ground a range we went from luxury hotel to tinfoil hats and back again and i hope you enjoyed it yeah let us know all the things we got wrong on this podcast it's always a pleasure to hear yeah there's plenty me doing some math midway what a mistake okay bye [31:43] Bye. [31:44] *outro music*