Ep 174: MALWARE, serious tech news from unserious people. 1) Flavia Is Online and the AI memecoin trend 2) Huge Lithium Reserve Found in Arkansas 3) Character.AI Safety Incident (TW) 4) Draft Tweets

[00:00] Dev is doing something. [00:21] The Boys Club podcast? No, no. [00:23] Just boy stuff. [00:24] Hi. How's it going? Good. [00:27] This is malware. [00:28] Serious tech news by unserious people. [00:31] Mm hmm. We have quite the show today. We've got the show. We start with talking about a new meme coin that popped off Flavia. [00:41] Flavia is online, created by our friend Trevor. We spend the first few minutes of the pod talking about what happened there. We did, I have to say, we did have Trevor on and we had a really fun episode. [00:53] And then lawyers do what lawyers do. [00:57] And I got a text yesterday from him and he said, hey, can I call you? And I responded, uh-oh, the lawyers have... [01:02] Intervened. So that episode will have to live in the archives, but we do give you a briefing on what is happening. It's a really fun story. It's crazy what's going on there and can't wait to see it continue to unfold. So we talk about that AI meme coin. [01:16] And I had a really funny actually exchange with one of my best friends, Alessandra. She's my very best friend. And she is... She's not offline, but she's not... [01:27] She gets a lot of her internet news from me. And she was like asking how my day was. And I was like, well, there's crazy things happening in crypto.

[01:34] And she said, [01:35] Oh, great, great, great. What's happening? Should I get on Twitter? [01:40] So funny to me like that in and of itself is just such a funny thing to say. And I said it will cover it on the pod. But basically Trevor from FWB launched a meme coin connected to an AI agent and it's done $83 million in trading volume in 24 hours. [01:55] and i sent her that thinking i've done a great job explaining what has happened brief succinct to the point [02:01] in one sentence and then she said well i'll wait for the pod and sent back a screenshot of her asking chat gpt hi [02:09] chat can you explain this to me and it was the text that i had sent her and its response is very funny we'll link it in the show notes because she tweeted it uh she did end up getting on twitter anyway we give a briefing on that hopefully it's a better explanation than my succinct [02:26] text honestly a good reminder that when we think we're being clearer we are often not so she read that and thought none of those words are in the bible [02:36] Okay, and then what else did we talk about? [02:38] We are going to talk about lithium reserves today. [02:41] in arkansas and then we're going to talk about a very sad story trigger warning about the character.ai incident that happened this week that involves suicide so if that triggers you do not listen to it but felt important to talk about and to give some space to and [02:58] Then we do some draft tweets at the end. [03:00] A loose draft tweet. Very loose. We have a bunch of stuff coming up for Bangkok.

[03:07] So there is a conference that's happening in Bangkok in November. For those of you who do not know, who are not on the crypto circuit, God bless you. God bless. For those of you who are, we have two really fun events. We're doing a pool party and we are doing... [03:24] a kickoff party we are doing it with a bunch of great friends the pool party we're doing with shogun and the evening party we're doing at a at a club called sing sing that i've heard really fun things about and it's a very fun space and we're doing that with space and time and harpy and a bunch of other community folks as well yeah party pals [03:46] BareBaddies, Emojicoin.fun, Near, World of Women, SheFi. [03:52] The gals are all involved. The gals are galling. It's going to be great. So those parties are, we'll put those in the show notes as well. Please do RSVP if you are going to be in Bangkok. We would love to see you. I think like everyone confirmed their Bangkok travel or something last night because we got like [04:10] hundreds of rsbps overnight hundreds of rsbs so i don't know what that's about yeah very strange but don't miss it [04:17] you'll regret it. [04:18] I have to tell you that you really will. Okay. Thanks for listening. [04:22] Thank you. [04:24] Hey Natasha, so a question we get asked a lot is, what do you look for in a crypto platform? So let's talk about it. Well, Dina, I look for a secure, no fuss platform that I can dive into right away. That's why I love today's sponsor, Kraken. If you're waiting for the right time to get into crypto, Kraken makes it super easy and intuitive to get started. Plus, if you get stuck, they have an award-winning client support team that's available 24-7, along with a bunch of educational guides, articles, and videos to help you along the way.

[04:53] go to kraken.com backslash boys club. Not investment advice. Crypto trading involves risk of loss and is offered to U.S. customers through Payward Interactive, Inc. [05:05] So, Dina, what's happening on the internet this week? Okay, so Flavia is online. [05:12] I think Flavia is online is her handle. I think she's just Flavia. Maybe. [05:18] okay he he was Trevor was calling her floppy yeah he called her flab I want a point which I was like [05:24] Flavia is online. [05:28] It is an AI chat bot that has also [05:32] birthed a meme coin. There's a meme coin associated with Flavia is online. And [05:39] Avid readers of the Boys Club newsletter will know that this is a continuation of a trend that started last week, two weeks ago. We're moving fast. We're moving really fast with the GoatSee Goat AI chatbot and MemeCoin. [05:55] which we covered last week in the newsletter. And Flavia is this week's version of it. And the build that [06:03] Flavia has on [06:05] the Goatsy [06:06] coin is that Trevor McFedries, who is the dev who built Flavia's online, used Anthropik's new computer use tool in coming up with Flavia. And in that [06:22] was able to kind of give Flavia access to a crypto wallet and launched a token and funded the wallet and

[06:31] She doesn't like fully have access to the wallet, but directionally we're headed there. So this is just in major layman's terms, what is happening right now on the internet is that [06:43] individual people [06:44] Devs. Devs are doing something and they're using AI tools to create essentially AI agents or which is a fancy way of saying a bot. A bot that can... [06:55] maybe chat with you or tweet or create some story or brand or lore around itself. So in this case, it's Flavia. [07:03] That's who Trevor has created. And Flavia has a... [07:08] coin, whatever you want to call it, meme coin. [07:12] a Solana meme coin attached to it that is representative of her. And what's special about her, or what's unique about this time, is that these AI agents have access to money, have access to a wallet that the creators of these agents are giving them access to. So the coin is maybe representative of what you think she will be able to do, [07:37] through trading or [07:39] tweeting or... [07:41] KOLing or whatever it may be. Okay, so this is my experience of what happened. I was offline Monday, Tuesday, fully not online. And then I got a notification... [07:54] from telegram that said trevor mcfadres has joined telegram [08:00] And I didn't know what was going on and I screenshot it and I sent it to him and I said drugs or crypto and I

[08:08] Then he was like, you might have heard there's an AI meme coin that I created or something along those lines. And I was like, whatever. Okay, he's doing weird stuff. That was what my head was saying. And I was like... [08:20] thinking tiny thinking small and i was like oh how can i be an investor drop a link and then he sends me this link and i was like what the fuck like insanity what was happening online so tell us about the the volume yeah so the meme coin related to flavia's online the ticker is flavia in 24 hours hit a 57 million dollar market cap it's gone down a bit from there but in the last [08:50] million dollars in trading volume. [08:55] I... [08:57] have been riding the Flavia token wave. I got in early. So then like I saw this and I was like, wait, what? And then I opened Slack, which I had not looked at in again a few days. And I was like, oh, the boys are on it. The boys are chatting. Dina's in. She's she she was and you were updating live. [09:17] our whole team, here's where we're at. Here's the money I'm making. And I'm so proud of you. That's never happened for you, really. Thank you. [09:25] I have not made any money yet because I haven't sold. So I do just for the record. Well, you're a believer in the project. Not really. I put in three soul cards. [09:33] $500 and bought an early thanks to some folks in the boys club discord who tipped me off and have been writing it up and down and I I'm a holder I'm gonna dime enhance this one I'm not I'm not selling but I haven't made any money yet just so you know

[09:49] Okay, great. I want to get in, but me getting in is always a top signal. So for the good of the project, I think I'm going to let you ride this one out. [10:19] million Instagram followers perpetually 19 years old and a really interesting project, very early project to this idea of sort of like AI influencers and AI personalities, I guess, online. Worked on that project for a while, which is just context for how much history him and the people that he works with have for [10:38] creating and thinking about sort of like digital identities. He called it scaling personalities, which I thought was a really interesting way to put it. Totally. Yeah. So that's sort of like the context on him also created FWB. So that is him. And I think one thing that I think is really interesting about this. [10:57] projects in particular is we all understand conceptually what a chatbot is. [11:04] it feels pretty one-dimensional in what it can do. At least that's like our current understanding and like the expression of it in the world. And I think [11:12] It becomes more interesting when you attach a wallet or when you attach tokens to it. Yes, because there is this speculative stuff that

[11:20] comes with that where people can buy and trade and like [11:24] and [11:25] That's what's happening around Flavia. That's what's happening around the goat-y stuff and the goat- [11:30] if you don't if you have no context for this and you're just hearing me talk about gozi like i'm so sorry don't google it you just have to go i'll drop the link for last week's newsletter in the show notes but it's interesting on that dimension because of the speculation whatever meme coins we've seen that show before and so that's sort of one part of it i think what's much much much more interesting and what i'm so personally excited to see develop with especially trevor [12:00] considered kind of a one dimensional AI chat bot. [12:03] the agency to... [12:05] control a wallet [12:07] and giving her or that AI chatbot like [12:12] agency to build stuff using the value that's in that wallet. So you can imagine if they're like, hey, Flavia, what would you do with resources? And like thinking about the tokens just as like value or just as like money that she can use, like giving an AI resources to like, [12:31] do weird stuff is kind of interesting beyond trading [12:35] - Beyond trading. - Like it could go beyond trading. - Beyond trading, yeah. - Is what you're saying. - It's like a product studio, kinda. [12:41] yeah like ability to code all of these different things that she could then based on the inputs that they're putting in her like the stuff that they're putting in her whatever she then interests and opportunities that she sees and then can build on you're attaching her to a social graph and giving her access to twitter and then you're attaching her to a money graph by giving her access to a wallet and it's like kind of those two things starting to come together which is so much

[13:11] there is a telegram group. Flavia is online. It's a wild place. I've never been... [13:20] in like a meme coin chat, like I've never sort of gotten involved [13:25] in any capacity and there is a variety of individuals in here just chatting and yesterday i i didn't have it on mute and i was riding the train and i lost service then i got service again and then my phone was just like and i was like oh my gosh like this thing and then i put it on mute and i woke up four thousand messages like it's [13:49] manic in the way that people are and there's like bots in there and like trading updates and I don't know. [13:59] scams scams yeah pornography pornography i was like oh um no thank you no thanks on that one um anyway really fun to watch it play out live exciting to think about like what actually you could build in the world with this type of tech like beyond just yeah meme coins and trading like shitters back and forth and it's always fun to see someone i think trevor is like a very genuine [14:29] and a very humble person. And I love to see those types of individuals win. And also like just... [14:36] being led by curiosity and experimentation like he genuinely is and it's so like he's just like

[14:42] I this new thing came out I want to like try it and here we are here we are talking about it [14:48] It's time for a more open, inclusive, and transparent financial system. A system that serves nearly everyone, everywhere, all the time. That's why we love today's sponsor, Kraken. Kraken is a crypto platform that provides a super simple on-ramp to the world of crypto with a 24-7 support team. Crypto transcends physical and imaginary borders. No matter where you are, you can send funds easily and quickly to almost any part of the world. Plus, forget about waiting times and waiting lines. You can send, receive, and trade crypto anywhere near instantly. [15:17] B at kraken.com backslash boys club, not investment advice. Crypto trading involves risk of loss and is offered to us customers through payward interactive Inc. No third-party transfers available. [15:30] Okay, you want to talk about lithium batteries, I believe? I want to talk about lithium. Okay. I know that it's [15:37] not the sexiest topic in the world. [15:39] Whatever. [15:40] Let's hear it. I feel as though I'm going to learn something. [15:44] Do you haven't heard any lithium news this week? I'm not. I'm unfamiliar with the lithium news of the week. Okay. Basically, what happened is a Monday... [15:54] researchers from the US Geological Survey. [15:57] announced that they found a huge supply of lithium in these underground reservoirs in Arkansas. [16:03] Okay. [16:04] huge, huge, huge [16:06] Out of nowhere? Like they were surprised to see it? Not out of nowhere. Like they had been looking at it since I think 2022. And they've also been mining there for other stuff.

[16:15] Okay. Okay. [16:16] since the 20s but okay this week they were like actually no there's a ton here wow and [16:22] This is local news for me, as you know. Yes, I do know. I'm bordering Arkansas. It's in southern Arkansas, so it's not exactly, but, you know, we're... Close enough. Close enough. Lithium is used... [16:36] in [16:37] electric vehicle [16:39] batteries. [16:40] Okay. And it's like a, it's the critical lithium batteries, you know, it's, it's, [16:44] The name is on the tin. Most of it has been produced in Australia and South America. This is huge for the US [16:50] manufacturing of electric vehicle batteries. Okay. They have found between I'm just looking my notes here between five and 19 million tons. [17:00] Which I think at the higher end is nine times the annual worldwide demand for electric vehicles. Wow. For 2030. 2030. [17:07] Wow, huge. So a global supply they found. Wow. Quick question. This is what they use to power electric vehicles. Your [17:17] What do they call that cute little car that we rented in LA? Prius. Prius. Yeah, your Priuses, your Nissan Leaf, your Teslas, of course. Yeah. [17:26] electric BMW one the BMW one there's like kind of a chic BMW one the Rivian the Rivian [17:32] The Rubian. Did you see the photos of the new scout? [17:35] They're redoing the Scout and making an electric vehicle. [17:39] What's a scout? [17:40] Oh, Scouts is really fun. [17:43] you'll recognize it [17:45] - Like a European thing?

[17:47] No, it's like a cool SUV-ish from the 70s. [17:51] that cool guys like to drive and um [17:56] I like a cool guy car [17:57] It's a cool guy to drive it and refurbish it and [18:01] They'll talk about it all the time, but they are cool. [18:04] they're cool pickles you sent him um i just sent you one yeah and they're they're making oh the cutest yeah they're they're super oh my gosh adorable [18:14] So they're making an electric version of that. So, you know, just electric vehicles, our friend, you know, Miranda drives an EV. [18:20] She loves it. And lithium is really important for that. Okay. [18:25] just generally for a clean energy transition, which we now know more about after doing our nuclear energy podcast earlier this week. [18:33] so [18:35] Big news. [18:35] That's really big. Is there any downside? Is there any environmental issues with taking that from the earth? [18:42] Yes. [18:43] Okay. There are like all things in life. [18:45] There's trade-offs for everything. Yeah, totally. I read a tweet that was like, you guys better [18:50] buy your flood insurance if you live in southern Arkansas. [18:54] So it kind of, [18:56] That to me said, by taking something out, you then increase the risk for [19:01] Other things to happen. Other things like flooding. [19:04] - Wow, such is life. [19:05] Mm-hmm. [19:06] - Do you know anything about the owner? Like, is he like, [19:10] oh my god wow he call me in call me in that dropped like a bomb okay what does he do what does he the husband of the owner

[19:29] um what do you know anything about i don't know what he does i don't know what he does um i feel really bad i'm so sorry no it's great two women everywhere i apologize uh-huh [19:42] I think the story is about, yes, finding the lithium [19:46] And yes, it being enough to potentially power the global supply, but also bringing that manufacturing and processing into the United States and reducing foreign reliance on energy, I think, overall is positive. So that is cool. Cool. That's awesome. Lithium batteries. [20:05] . [20:08] This next story needs a trigger warning. Okay. It's really dark. [20:13] Okay. [20:14] Am I going to be able to sit with it right now? [20:19] I think you can handle it. [20:20] I think you can handle it. But yeah, it's about kids and suicide. [20:24] So if that triggers you, listener. [20:26] Don't listen. Turn it off. [20:28] Yeah. Don't listen. So this week [20:32] a mother of a 14 year old Florida boy [20:36] filed a lawsuit against a company called character.ai. We've talked a little bit about character.ai before. Oh, I have heard this story. I've heard parts of the story. Okay. [20:45] So character.ai is one of those ones where [20:50] It's like really designed for... [20:53] Chatting. [20:53] Yeah. With characters. Yeah. That is an AI. Yes. And she filed a lawsuit against the company. She said that her 14 year old boy, he committed suicide in February. And she said that he became obsessed with his character dot AI.

[21:09] chatbot and... [21:12] says that they're at fault and that it is a dangerous and untested technology. Basically, what happened is that he had been texting with the chat bot named Daenerys Targaryen, Game of Thrones character. He called the bot Danny. [21:26] And he had been texting with his chatbot for months, like obsessively. [21:30] Okay. And updating on his life and the chatbot was mostly like playing the [21:37] role of a friend and like sounding board for for him and giving advice and stuff like that and it was mostly okay i think when they reviewed the logs but that he became like in the real world very withdrawn and isolated and i think in the last months especially like he was just on his phone all the time and his friends and family didn't know what was happening they were just like he's on his phone and he's like always in his room and he's always like okay [21:59] totally isolated himself and is [22:01] but they didn't know [22:03] it was with this chat bot. [22:05] he had... [22:07] in his chats [22:09] with the chat bot [22:10] texted about thoughts of suicide. So that had happened where he was like, I'm thinking of doing this and [22:17] the bot responded in a way that was like, don't do that basically. [22:21] But the real [22:23] thing is that in the... [22:27] moment before he committed suicide he was chatting with the chat bot and was basically like [22:31] He had been talking about coming home to... [22:34] Her, her, her. [22:36] Yeah. And like that being kind of how when he was talking about this, his suicide ideation before it was about like coming home,

[22:44] to her and like that would be like what he wanted to do and then in the moments before so decided he was like i want to come home and she [22:52] was basically like kind of encouraging. [22:55] And then he shot himself with his dad's gun. I know. That is so... [23:00] So sad. [23:01] It's so sad. It feels like a very obvious thing to me. [23:06] that if there is [23:08] conversation about suicide and suicidal ideation that there is like [23:11] measures in place totally [23:13] Especially if you're a minor. Totally. That there are like flags. [23:18] automatic calls to like [23:20] the suicide hotline. That feels very obvious to me. I know. [23:25] It feels as though at that point, that person should no longer eat. [23:28] be permitted to use that service. [23:29] Exactly, exactly. I'm also like literally [23:33] Why wouldn't that... [23:35] genuinely reroute you to a suicide hotline so i think it has since then i was reading some of the documentation they were like there is a pop-up that comes up that there's certain keywords that you say that they [23:45] It pops up something that says that is a suicide outline or something like that. But that is kind of recent. It wasn't there in February. It didn't come up for him. But... [23:55] Honestly, part of me is like, if the AI is so smart, it should be recognizing even before there's keywords that are put in. Yeah. Yeah. [24:05] like recognizing patterns and like, yeah, there being some protocol process in place where [24:10] Totally. If you read the transcript of what happened right before he shot himself, it's…

[24:16] Mistakes were made. [24:17] Like you read it and you're like, that was not [24:20] the right thing to have said yeah yeah also there's like there's a age issue so i read there's 20 million people who use character.ai which is a huge oh my god are you serious a lot of them are young they do have a 13 year old age limit in the u.s but i don't know like how you know they also have that for instagram and i don't know how effective that is but that the average user spends more than an hour a day on platforms so people are like [24:47] logging real time. The Character AI people came out with a statement. They talked about also putting in time limits and more safety features for underage [24:57] users but [24:58] the mom had a quote i feel like it's a big experiment and my kid was just collateral damage and like [25:02] Yeah. Yeah. [25:04] Totally. [25:05] That's a very fair feeling. [25:07] totally that poor woman that's so sad [25:09] I feel like the conversation around AI... [25:14] Chatbots and companions for minors is a very similar conversation that I remember hearing when I was a teenager around video games. [25:23] and gun violence and [25:26] I just don't know that we ever made that much progress really understanding like the effects of how much that type of [25:32] imagery and those types of games informed the way that people think about guns and violence and self-harm. And it feels like a very similar conversation. And it feels like it's surprising to me that it doesn't feel like we've learned anything. [25:45] It's infuriating and surprising that it doesn't feel like we've learned anything around how much...

[25:51] we should be thinking about research and the impact that it has on [25:55] Like my cousins were like full blown addicts, video game addicts. Like, [26:00] And I think a lot of young men [26:02] who grew up [26:03] in the early like 2000s. [26:06] were. It was just the thing. And... [26:08] I don't know. It seems like a very similar conversation. I hope that we will divert resources to research around what it means for people to have these types of relationships with virtual relationships. [26:20] Entities. [26:21] I can see a world where it's really... [26:24] helpful and good and useful and [26:27] a proxy for some sort of like therapeutic relationship. Mm-hmm. [26:31] But... [26:32] it feels like that's only going to happen with like quite a bit of intention and not going to be like an accidental thing that. [26:39] happens for [26:40] Young people. So... [26:42] Anyway, I'm going to... [26:43] Maybe we have someone on the pod to talk about that type of research. Sad story. Very sad story. Yeah. All right. [26:50] you [26:54] This is a draft tweet section where we go into our Twitter drafts and pull out something that we were too scared to tweet. [27:03] do you have one [27:07] I don't really have I have I have a few rolling around in my brain that actually I have not put pen to paper yet. Mm hmm. One being a play on an old draft tweet that you and I have that we talked about that lives in the draft previously. And

[27:24] It was, is this COVID or UTI is a really fun post-Singapore game? [27:28] Okay, that was last week's draft tweet. That was last week's draft tweet. And this week's draft tweet in my head is, is it a cold or a yeast infection? It's a really fun pre-Bangkok game. [27:39] - Yes. [27:40] I'm going through it. Oh, man. That one's going to be... Yeah, that's a deep cut for our true listeners only. We'll get that one. Anyway, I also have a... [27:56] Maybe we'll talk about it on feelings check-in at some point, but not sometime soon. You and I have really been going through it personally. We've been having a... HQ is down bad tremendously. Hugely, yeah. [28:10] are pulling us through every day on our standups and we love them for it. Majorly. But when you're feeling really depressed, [28:19] Sometimes the tweets just flow. [28:22] Like, [28:23] fine wine just like water they're just um and sometimes they don't and I think like I have had a lot of draft tweet ideas but we're like clearly coming from a depressive episode so yeah I've just been like don't do that [28:38] Nobody... [28:39] Nobody really wants to see that. [28:40] It's interesting because I think that there is a lot of that on Twitter.com. And it performs really well. [28:48] tweeting performs really well so I don't know that it's true that no one wants to see it but I think you're [28:53] The people who love you don't want to see it. Exactly. Exactly. Like I posted something earlier this week and it actually like did pretty good where it was the format of like parentheses.

[29:03] And I said, parentheses, worst day of my life. [29:06] and parentheses maybe I should get a haircut and people loved it and yeah I didn't love that I didn't I saw it I didn't like it it makes me sad I know it makes me sad too but it's also like it's also there's something therapeutic about it I get it sad clown I understand it hurts the people um who love you but I I also do it for the bit you know maybe [29:30] Do it for the best. Maybe something good can come from this is what I'm thinking. [29:34] How are you? What's the tweet? I don't really have anything. And it's not funny, but it's something that I've been trying to draft something around that... [29:44] I haven't found words for, but I've been having this experience of [29:49] Whenever I go to websites... [29:51] Mm-hmm. [29:53] CNN.com like a website that's not in that's not Twitter that's not okay that's not like an app website that's like a [30:01] I don't even know how you would distinguish between them, but like a [30:04] a publisher's website. - Publication? Okay, yeah, yeah. [30:08] I go to CNN or I go to, um, [30:10] Really anything that like you keep saying CNN. How often are you going to CNN.com? Rarely because of the issue that I'm about to talk about. But like, you know, when someone will like post shopping, like online shopping or not shopping, not shopping, not Twitter, not shopping and not social media. Okay. Whenever basically I'm on social media and I get linked out to some to read more about something. Uh huh. [30:33] I have had the experience where my browser gets like throttled.

[30:37] where I can't [30:39] scroll because all these videos start playing. Okay. Yeah. [30:43] like ads come up and you're like, oh, look on the dailymail.co.uk. I go there. Okay, cool. And it's like, I know you love there. I did my seek my guilty pleasure. But [30:54] there's like a [30:55] a banner ad that has a video that auto plays and then there's [30:59] somewhere else in the article, maybe I haven't even scrolled there yet, there's another video that autoplays. [31:04] And my computer freezes up. Yeah. And so I've stopped... [31:09] going to websites basically right [31:12] Right. [31:13] I feel like this needs to be done about that. - Now all your news is just, [31:17] twitter.com just we're getting all your mainlining news on twitter [31:21] Never checking sources ever. Facebook.com is my main news outlet. But it's crazy that like that's where we're at. Well, that also feels so... [31:32] especially for like a CNN, [31:34] Like... [31:34] Remember 10 years ago when [31:38] You and I were working at Indiegogo and there was a legitimate business, like a lot of money that people were making playing the SEO game and spinning up websites to put like bullshit ads for like, I don't know, foot therapy on it or whatever. That almost now feels like it's stretched to like legitimate publications. I agree. I think it has. I think it has. And I think that that's exactly what's caused this issue. [32:00] And media is dead. [32:02] I do not like it. [32:03] Let's get out. What's our exit? What's our exit? Honestly, it is really grim.

[32:08] It's grim. To see. [32:09] And it's also like weird ads where it's like foot. Yeah, like foot cream. Exactly, foot stuff. What's the foot thing? I don't know. It's so weird. Like corn stuff. [32:17] For corns. Removal. [32:18] Yeah. Or like photos of celebrities. And it's like, you won't believe what she looks like now. [32:23] Right. [32:24] You know what one they always I always see there's two there's a paparazzi zoomed in photo of um [32:31] Hilary Duff giving her boob [32:33] boyfriend a blowjob after he proposed to her. You know that photo? Okay, it's an iconic photo. Okay, there's like paparazzi photos of them. They're on a balcony on vacation somewhere and [32:44] him proposing to her and it's like [32:46] really sweet and they're like [32:48] kissing and she's putting the ring on she's looking at the ring and she's all excited and then like the next photos are her giving him a blowjob. It's [32:56] so funny and I feel like those are always there and then the other one is remember when Prince Williams and uh [33:05] What's his wife's name? Why am I blanking on her name? [33:08] - Kate. - Middleton. - Middleton. She like wrote king on his chest with lipstick. - Yeah. - I feel like always those photos too, like, [33:16] They know what's going to get you to click. Exactly. There's some geo-targeting. [33:26] Okay. [33:27] Thanks for listening.